Abt Family Murders: “Delayed Revenge”丨MURDERISH Ep. 156

In this episode of Say Yes to the Mess Jami flies solo as she recaps The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Reunion and the latest episode of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She weighs in on the Amanda Frances v. Dorit Kemsley spat at Rachel Zoe’s dinner party, and who she thinks was more in the wrong. Did Amanda weaponize a personal tragedy to shut down the conversation, or was Dorit’s response cold and lacking empathy? Jami gives her take and runs through her favorite moments of the RHOSLC reunion. She says who the biggest flop was as well as her reunion VIP, and doesn’t hold back on all the reasons this was the absolute worst season and reunion for two particular SLC Housewives. And of course, Jami dishes on the latest hirings and firings on the RHOC and gives her two-cents on Bravo’s decisions for season 20 casting. Follow Jami @JamiOnAir on Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. Watch Say Yes to the Mess and Serial Streamers on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jamionair and subscribe so you don’t miss out on the latest documentary recaps. Check out Jami’s other podcast - Dirty Money Moves: Women in White Collar Crime: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dirty-money-moves-women-in-white-collar-crime/id1619521092. Want to advertise on this podcast? We’ve partnered with Cloud10 Media to handle our advertising requests. If you’re interested in advertising on MURDERISH, send an email to Sahiba Krieger [email protected] with a copy to [email protected].  Visit Murderish.com for more info about the show and Creator/Host, Jami Rice. Remember, fix your face and stay lookin’ hot …because you don’t want to end up with a crappy mugshot! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In October 2025, nearly six years after he vanished into a summer storm, Chance Englebert’s remains were found at the base of a rugged cliff within Scotts Bluff National Monument in Nebraska. The 25-year-old husband and father was last seen alive on July 6th, 2019, after storming off on foot following a heated argument with his wife’s family. He’d picked the wrong night to leave on foot as a brutal summer storm rolled in not long after. Police claim Chance’s death was a tragic accident. His family, however, believe otherwise. Subscribe to Jami’s YouTube channel @JamiOnAir: https://www.youtube.com/@jamionair Follow Jami @JamiOnAir on Instagram and TikTok. Sponsors Shopify: Visit shopify.com/murderish to sign up for a $1/month trial. Dirty Money Moves: Women in White Collar Crime - Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dirty-money-moves-women-in-white-collar-crime/id1619521092. Research and writing by: K. Brant. Want to advertise on this show? We’ve partnered with Cloud10 Media to handle our advertising requests. If you’re interested in advertising on MURDERISH, please send an email to Sahiba Krieger [email protected] and copy [email protected].  Visit Murderish.com to learn more about the podcast and Creator/Host, Jami, and to view a list of sources for this episode.  Listening to this podcast doesn’t make you a murderer, it just means you’re murder..ish. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In S1 E1 of Dirty Money Moves, we left off with a discussion about Mary Carole McDonnell’s seemingly bright future. This is a woman who proclaimed herself to be the heiress to the McDonnell Douglas fortune. McDonnell Douglas was a major aerospace manufacturing company which was purchased by Boeing in 1997. In the previous episode, we also delved into Mary Carole’s life and discovered the truth about her family history, which had nothing to do with the aerospace industry. Mary Carole had a tendency to lie and overspend. Despite that, her career path in the tv business led her to being hired as the Executive VP of programming for Raycom Media. She started making good money, and bought real estate like it was going out of style. It seemed like the phony heiress was doing whatever she could to live up to the fake persona, spending lavishly and racking up debt. Eventually, Mary Carole began building a media empire of her own, Bellum Entertainment, while maintaining her position at Raycom. It went well …for a while. Bellum Entertainment turned out to be nothing more than a flimsy house of cards that would eventually come crashing down all around her. Follow Jami Rice on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube @JamiOnAir. Dirty Money Moves: Women in White Collar Crime is available in all podcast apps. Binge season 1 to hear the full story about Mary Carole McDonnell, the phony Hollywood heiress. Dirty Money Moves is a collaboration between MURDERISH and Cloud10 Media. Executive Producers are: Jami Rice and Sim Sarna Research and writing by: Gina Mazzolini If you enjoy MURDERISH, please do us a favor and give the podcast a 5-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, Spotify or any podcast player. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, the Westdale Mall had its grand opening just in time for the 1979 Christmas season. It instantly became a popular hangout. Many high school kids got their first job at the mall, including 18-year-old Michelle Martinko. Tragically, Michelle was fatally stabbed in the Westdale Mall parking lot on December 19th, 1979. The violent incident dissolved all sense of safety at the mall, making it feel like the most dangerous place in Cedar Rapids. Her killer would remain elusive for nearly 40 years. Subscribe to Jami’s YouTube channel @JamiOnAir: https://www.youtube.com/@jamionair Follow Jami @JamiOnAir on Instagram and TikTok. Sponsors ASPCA: Visit ASPCApetinsurance.com/MURDERISH to explore coverage. Shopify: Visit shopify.com/murderish to sign up for a $1/month trial. HelloFresh: Visit HelloFresh.com/MURDERISH10FM for 10 free meals + a free Zwilling Knife. Missing Person - Giovanna Tyler: If you have any information concerning Giovanna Tyler’s case, please contact the FBI’s Toll-Free tipline at 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) or the nearest American Embassy. Dirty Money Moves: Women in White Collar Crime - Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dirty-money-moves-women-in-white-collar-crime/id1619521092. Research and writing by: Alison Schwartz. Want to advertise on this show? We’ve partnered with Cloud10 Media to handle our advertising requests. If you’re interested in advertising on MURDERISH, please send an email to Sahiba Krieger [email protected] and copy [email protected].  Visit Murderish.com to learn more about the podcast and Creator/Host, Jami, and to view a list of sources for this episode.  Listening to this podcast doesn’t make you a murderer, it just means you’re murder..ish. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Say Yes to the Mess Jami welcomes her friend and host of the hit podcast, Tookes Takes, LaKendra Tookes (@lakendratookes). Jami and LaKendra dish on the finale episode of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and latest on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. They also weigh in on who should return to The Real Housewives of Orange County and who should exit stage left. SPOILER ALERT: they both agree that four particular OC Housewives should never return to our screens again. The ladies laugh their way through this episode which is full of unfiltered hot takes and unsolicited fashion and life advice. Follow Jami @JamiOnAir on Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. Watch Say Yes to the Mess and Serial Streamers on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jamionair and subscribe so you don’t miss out on the latest documentary recaps. Check out Jami’s other podcast - Dirty Money Moves: Women in White Collar Crime: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dirty-money-moves-women-in-white-collar-crime/id1619521092. Want to advertise on this podcast? We’ve partnered with Cloud10 Media to handle our advertising requests. If you’re interested in advertising on MURDERISH, send an email to Sahiba Krieger [email protected] with a copy to [email protected]. Visit Murderish.com for more info about the show and Creator/Host, Jami Rice. Remember, fix your face and stay lookin’ hot …because you don’t want to end up with a crappy mugshot! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices